“What lies behind us, and what lies before us, are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” Ralph Waldo Emerson – Mindfulness

Transcript

Dan Fouts 00:01

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Dan Fouts 00:45

Well, hello, everybody. Welcome to the Teach Different podcast. We are excited tonight to have guest Jeremy Gregory from Boulder, Colorado with us. He’ll introduce himself in a moment. He has a really interesting angle and background on education. Our quote tonight is from Ralph Waldo Emerson on mindfulness. For the listeners unfamiliar with our method, we’re going to start with the quote, interpret the quote or find the claim, then we’ll push against it. Well take a look at a counterclaim, something against what the author is saying. That’s where that critical thinking piece comes into play. We’re going to be providing evidence behind our thinking using our own personal experiences. What we want to model for the students, when we use this method in class, is to be vulnerable. We want them to share their personal experiences to back up what they are saying. At the end we will think of a question to wrap things up. So with that, let’s get started.

Dan Fouts 01:54

Here’s the quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson. There are a lot of components to this quote, so I’m going to read it twice. We’ll read it throughout the podcast, as a reminder for the listeners. “What lies behind us, and what lies before us, are tiny matters compared to what lies within us?” “What lies behind us, and what lies before us, are tiny matters compared to what lies within us?” Jeremy, welcome to the show. We’d love to hear about your background, and then you can take the first stab at this quote.

Jeremy Gregory 02:45

Excellent. Well, thanks guys for giving me the opportunity to join you on your podcast. I’m excited and inspired by your modality and how you’re bringing this frame of teaching to not just students, or younger generations, but to everybody, because this is the way that we need to be thinking and moving forward. It’s too bad that this wasn’t predominant when I was growing up, because I think it would have really shifted me or propelled me in a direction that would have taken me a lot further than where I’m at right now. But, it is what it is. Better late than never, I guess.

Jeremy Gregory 03:44

I come from a long line of teachers and educators and eco-conscious farmers, artists, musicians, and philanthropists. I’ve been raised to believe that the principles of continued growth, conscious benevolence, equitable life and educational opportunities are tenants that I am personally inspired to instill into others. Handing that flag on, so to speak. It’s my genuine hope to help encourage the merits of taking responsibility for all our growth, our own growth and actions, and for the betterment of our world. I believe that an educated society creates harmony and prosperity. As I mentioned, I come from a long long line of educators, and not just educators and teachers, but people with an authentic desire to inspire and to take positive action in our world. I thought history was going to be my direction, but through my life experience and synchronistically coming across Zoe Weil, the founder of the Institute for Humane Education, it really struck a chord. I was like, oh my god, this is my life calling. I’ve really taken on Humane Education, espousing and promoting it, and in a very exciting way, teaching and drawing the connection between humane education and human rights, sentient protection, and environmental sustainability. Looking at this through the lens of not so much an anthropocentric view, but that we are just one part of many. I think when we take that humble view, we can move into a Teach Different modality. We can be a beacon to authentically catalyze change with our students, our families, and our communities.

Jeremy Gregory 06:07 – Claim

Without rambling too much more, I think segwaying that into this quote from Ralph Waldo Emerson, “What lies behind us, and what lies before us, are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” For me, it starts within us. It’s that nucleus. If we’re not healed within, and if we’re not connected to ourselves, then we aren’t going to be able to do what we’re doing with this amazing platform that you guys have. It’s not reinventing the wheel, but it’s so profound in its simple elegance. We’re living in a society right now, where we are fixated on external things. We’re distracted. We’re trying to control the future, while living and dwelling in the past all while we’re ghosts to the present, and unable to connect to our own souls, our own hearts, purely and truly. Hence, we’re disconnected from nature, from life. Sadly, it’s showing up in a way that’s really disturbing and alarming. Just look outside your front door, turn on the news and see what’s going on. It’s this implosion, so to speak. I believe that Emerson implores us to look within. We have the power to be catalysts of amazing things. What it all comes down to is that there are two ways to approach our lives either as victims to our lives, or the creators of our lives. Being in the moment, right here, right now, we have the power to make true enduring change that can ripple out into the world, or we can be held down and enslaved to the past or the future – things that are out of our control. The power of now starts within each and every one of us, and that is how we make true change. Without going any further, I think that’s what Emerson is saying. It’s within us, it’s not these external things. It’s not the past, it’s not the future. But, how do we create a positive future? It all starts within us and then how do we manifest that. Hopefully, I’m on track. That was my takeaway from this very powerful quote from a very, very, very wise human being.

Steve Fouts 08:52

Nice. The power within. I don’t know which thought to go with right now, because it’s a profound quote. If we’re going to change the world, or improve things, then we have to change things ourselves first. Not the things that have already happened, and not the things that haven’t happened, yet. We can’t control those. I kind of view it through a lens of what we can control. It’s like a stoicism. That’s one of my favorite philosophies, Jeremy. This idea, this wisdom that if you can figure out that 99.999% of the entire world and all events that have ever occurred, are out of your control, but you can actually have a sense of control inside you at any given moment. That truly is your power. That’s when you, they would say, make progress. That’s what the stoics called it. It’s like wisdom, or enlightenment. It’s related to your knowledge of things. I would add the idea of control and what distracts us to the claim. The past is not meaningless. The future is not meaningless. You don’t want to not think about the future. But, when you miss the present, that’s what’s tragic. If you’re going to compare them all together, I don’t know if I’m adding to it.

Dan Fouts 10:50

Yeah. I think I see that perspective as well. Maybe I’m reading into this a little bit, but that’s okay. That’s what we’re doing with the interpretation. I would add that Emerson, in saying that our tiny matters compared to what lies within us, is suggesting that we have a power that we don’t even know we have. That we are living and are controlled by the future and the past, and we don’t realize that the present is an opportunity. We have the power to do something about it. He’s fighting against this defeatist attitude that people have to varying degrees. As a claim, I think it’s so inspiring. It makes you want to say, well, gosh, what am I missing here?

Jeremy Gregory 11:52

Absolutely. I think you guys really expounded on what I laid out, and I completely agree. The past and the future can be great things to use as we move forward as long as we’re not forgetting to be in that mindful moment. As opposed to dwelling in the past, we’re learning from the past, to use the present as a vehicle to manifest and materialize our future, not to be obsessed or afraid of the future. Wow, how empowering is this? Right here, right now, we have the power of our minds, our will, to create what we want. It’s almost like existentialism. Our life is what we choose to make it with the power of this mind. Instead of being enslaved and held down by our past and our traumas, things that we’ve all had in our lives, use that as a catalyst, as thrusters to help manifest and hence materialize and shape what we want moving forward to a better future. That is what I think is so important to instill in kids right now. They’re dealing with so much – existential anxiety, eco-depression, and everything that’s happening in our world. It’s up to us to be these really positive mentors, and support systems for these kids, to let them know that they’re not alone, that they have the power to really make a change. But, that doesn’t all have to fall on their shoulders either.

Dan Fouts 14:07

What we like to do with the method, as you know Jeremy, is encourage students to tell stories. If you’re a teacher doing this with students, you can stop and say, share an example of something in your past that you feel controls you and makes it harder for you to be empowered. Just let it kind of reveal itself. This is where it sometimes gets personal. Sometimes it gets to be pretty sensitive, but I think every kid could come up with some pretty amazing examples of the past controlling their present.

Jeremy Gregory 14:50

Absolutely

Steve Fouts 14:51

It doesn’t. I’m sorry. Go ahead, Jeremy.

Jeremy Gregory 14:54

Just let me touch on that real quick, because I think you really hit on something paramount. In the first discussion that the three of us had, it was about radical transparency, authenticity that starts with the three of us, and by extension, everyone else who has this calling to be a teacher, educator, or what I call an inspirator, or a solutionary. We have to show that authenticity, that radical transparency, as opposed to showing what we want others to see. We need to close that gap. We need to show that we have had our trials and tribulations. It took a long time for me to do that. What I’ve come to realize now when teaching workshops, is to let kids know, and others know that I come from a childhood of abuse. I went through some really horrible things, and it was those traumas and repeated vicious cycles of subjugation and oppression that really held me back without the right kind of support. We need to be authentic, and we need to show that we’ve been there in order for these kids to start trusting us, because that is what’s missing right now, trust.

Steve Fouts 16:52 – Counterclaim

Yeah, great. Now you’re making me think I should talk about that instead of this other thing. It’s so true. Here’s something I noticed when trying to share experiences as an educator with younger people. When they see someone, in what’s hopefully the right state of mind, that is in the now and is being authentic, it appears so intuitive, so easy. It’s almost hard for them to believe that we had to overcome things to get to this state. They think that they’re going through all these difficult things and that Mr. Fouts or Mr. Gregory didn’t have to go through that. Look, they’re just being themselves. God, life is so easy. You don’t want to sit there and convince people that you went through difficult things, because that’s just the wrong spirit. I’ve always struggled with that, because I feel like if you’re doing this right, people don’t think that it’s that difficult. It’s easy, because you’re doing it, but it’s not easy. There is a process to getting to this place, and sometimes it does involve facing the past, thinking about it, not denying what you’ve gone through, and realizing that if you do certain things now, then your future is not going to be in good shape. Entertaining these notions is part of centering yourself. I’m rambling a little bit.

Dan Fouts 19:04

I think, Steve, you’re moving nicely into the counterclaim. Right, Jeremy? Are you seeing it?

Jeremy Gregory 19:11

Yeah, I thought that’s what you’re doing? Yeah.

Dan Fouts 19:16

You have to confront your past in order to find out what lies within you.

Jeremy Gregory 19:22

That’s it.

Dan Fouts 19:23

It’s not a tiny matter.

Jeremy Gregory 19:26

It is not a tiny matter. You and I have had these talks of how important history is, that if we forget our history, we’re doomed to repeat it again, and again, and again. I am a big fan of NLP, neuro linguistic programming. We talked about growing up and being athletes and how coaches give athletes films of their performance to watch so that they can see what they’re doing wrong and unlearn those behaviors. It’s like learning to unlearn certain things, and replacing that with more positive behaviors, actions, or thoughts. Where do thoughts start? I’m going to bring this back to the subject. Thoughts come from quotes, so if we can get a powerful quote in our heads, that starts to rewire and fire a new way of thinking. That’s what we really need to start getting to some of these empirical based modalities that work that start in our mind. When we go back through millennia, stories were the way that we were taught how to be, our ethos and tenets of how to be a great person, how to show up in our divine feminine, how to show up in our divine masculine, to be overall great, authentic, healthy individuals.

Dan Fouts 21:31

Yeah, that’s great. I mean, stories are how we achieve those things. I was thinking a little bit more about the counterclaim. Not only does the past inform us, and help us shape our identity, but we’re also telling students to create a positive picture of your success. Think of the future. You will never be able to function in the present, if you don’t train your mind, and in your words Jeremy, to create these thoughts, that the future is something that is real and possible for you. I’m going against his quote, “What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters.” Well, seeing the future before it happens is a big matter if you’re able to do that, because that makes the present. functional.

Jeremy Gregory 22:29

So very true. There is so much validity to that counterclaim. If you are going to be looking at it through a particular lens or a frame, that’s one thing, but if you look at it through the other one, it isn’t a tiny matter, because they’re all important. It’s how we’re using it again. Let’s go back to that experiential quote of, “life is what we choose to make it.” We can dwell on the past, or we can use the past. We can be afraid of the future and be frozen, or we can use that future as a benchmark to stay pinpointed in the present as that vehicle to get there. It’s pretty wild how you can now get that counterclaim, but even that counterclaim based on your thought, could still be a positive, if that makes sense. I don’t want to get too stuck in a paradox, but it’s important to have that counterclaim to ignite critical thinking, which we are very deficient of these days. What I love about Teach Different is that you use stories and quotes to build that fire of critical thinking, systems thinking, thinking outside of the box here. I can’t parent this quote, and I can’t be robotic in this quote. It’s research. It’s digging deeper. That’s what I think leads into being that solutionary,

Steve Fouts 22:44

Right. It’s research into our own experiences, which is where we’re all brilliant. We don’t even need to cite ourselves. This is what happened to me. It’s beyond me. It’s right. It’s valid. It’s evidence because it happened. That’s what I love about it, because you get people sharing those things in a room, and you’re not disagreeing, debating, or arguing, you’re listening and getting the logic of other people’s lives. It’s the way to go.

Steve Fouts 25:13

Before I forget, I thought of another way to say the counterclaim another way. The present is a conglomeration of the proper way to think about the past and the future. Conglomerate is probably the wrong word. It’s kind of like a consequence. You can’t think about the present, who you are, your inner world, and your authenticity directly. You have to have your perspective, your antennas up, to be thinking about your past and your future in a healthy way. You get this very calm, authentic personhood once you’ve settled the problems, and acknowledged them. I don’t know if I’m making sense.

Dan Fouts 26:32

To make this more practical for a classroom, how would you engage students with this quote? I’m going to read it again, because I think listeners might have forgotten. “What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.” It seems like I’m always bringing up sports analogies. If the kids are struggling with this, ask the kids who are in a sport, and they’ll start talking about their coaches and how their coaches help them see success before it happens. Then, you can lead them with this question, when your coach talks about positive thinking, doing well, and believing in yourself, how does that impact your present when you’re thinking of the future? When you’re thinking of the end of the game and you winning, how does that impact how you are at the moment? I think kids could unpack that on a personal level. They might say, it makes me more intense, or calm, or focused. Like what you said, Steve, you develop a calm with the moment, because you have a handle of the future. You’re balancing it in the right way.

Jeremy Gregory 27:58

I one hundred percent wholeheartedly agree. The present is crucial. I’ve had challenges in my discussions in the past breaking down linear thought. I think this quote, in some ways, cannot be looked at linearly. Steve, you touched on it a little bit ago, you have that past and you have that future and how are you bringing those together? You’re amalgamating them together to be in that very solid grounded mindful presence, that state of being in the moment because this is what we have and it is such a fine line. What do they say if you have depression, that you are dwelling too much about the negative things you did in the past and anxiety is being afraid of the future. You can learn from the past and it’s such an important thing. Getting back to how we can fix those issues of trauma and use them to empower us to manifest and materialize. We can think of a beautiful future, but how can we take control of our future as opposed to letting the future control us? It’s tough. I mean, it’s really tough, because I have a tendency to get really high, pie up in the sky, in the ethereal realms. With kids, it’s so crucial to get them in the state of being where they can at least be in a safe space with their teachers, their educators, their peers, their students, their friends and have a safe space to be vulnerable, to be open. When there’s so much guardedness, then we can bring it back to this quote.

Steve Fouts 30:27

You nailed it right there. Depression is the past. Anxiety for the future. Those are the problems that emerge when you’re looking at the past and looking at the future in an overly negative way. That’s what kids are experiencing. Those two things right now are epidemic. They’re huge problems. That’s what this quote is good at bringing out. Another way to take the advice of this quote is to focus more on the here and now. The tiny matter really is the past and the future. That’s how you can think about it. How about this as a prompt to the students? Have you ever accomplished something, won an award, won a game, or been really successful at something in the past and got overconfident?

Jeremy Gregory 31:46

Yeah, I think that’s it.

Steve Fouts 31:47

It doesn’t always have to be depression. It can be that you get full of yourself.

Jeremy Gregory 31:53

Absolutely.

Steve Fouts 31:54

Then, you start stagnating as a person, because you think that since you did it once, you can do it again. I think bringing that out as well with the kids is going to put a different angle on the quote.

Jeremy Gregory 32:15

I think it is. We are in a place where we need to bring some of these deeper, and for lack of a better word, esoteric modalities into teaching. Steve and Dan, you’re teaching and mentoring students who are living in a world that is on fire, and their worlds are shaken. It’s not an easy time. It’s not an easy place. They’re bringing all this in, and we expect them to learn history, science, math and biology. I think the three of us personally, and others who are listening, are mindfully aware that these kids are bringing fears into the classroom. It’s so hard to stay focused and grounded. We need to bring in other modalities to get them grounded, to authentically feel like they are in a safe place where they can set this stuff aside and be a part of the solution. A place where they can start to focus on how they can hone their attributes and gifts to be a part of this world or community.

Dan Fouts 34:14

To build on that, Jeremy, what is a conversation? A conversation is a live human experience where you are present. You are present and listening. You’re not weighted by the past, you’re not thinking about the future. You’re bringing those into a conversation, but you are present and mindful with the people around here. You’re not on your phones. I mean, you think of the the distraction of phones and the anxiety of phones that kids have is so debilitating. We all have this issue, but conversations can be those moments.

Steve Fouts 35:08

I’ve always wondered what is that safe space? Why does a really good conversation create a safe space? I came up with this. If everyone is sharing their own personal experiences, being vulnerable, and you’re listening to other people explain their trials and tribulations, then that has a calming effect. It either makes you want to put yourself out there, or you might feel a little luckier. It’s just having the stories told and the experiences shared. I think it’s as simple as that.

Jeremy Gregory 36:01

How do we see perspectives without stories? How do we know other people? How can we connect with other people, if we don’t have stories? It’s mind blowing that this concept of bringing into the world, promoting, promulgating, disseminating, has been taught in older cultures for thousands and thousands of years. Those communities flourished and thrived with one another, and the natural world, and here we are, having disconnected ourselves from these ideals, these principles, this spirit, and we’re imploding. We’re falling apart.

Steve Fouts 36:57

Maybe the quote is just a mini story. It’s a way to tell a story quickly, and have a moral component to it, and then talk about it. Maybe that’s a way to look at it. It’s the prompt to do that.

Jeremy Gregory 37:18

What a great way to get someone to just dip their toe in it. Then, you wade into it, and before you know it, we have a conversation. An authentic, from the heart, not robotic conversation. That’s what we need, because that’s what starts to create that respect, admiration, and honor for everybody. It puts everything on an equal plane. We’re all equals.

Dan Fouts 37:54

Building community with people. If you don’t have a feeling of belonging, you’re missing something very special in life. That’s what conversations do.

Jeremy Gregory 38:08

Yes, that’s exactly what they do. Without that, we’re robots. We’re disconnected. We’re seeing that because we are losing the ability, and the courage, the bravery, to have stories. Is this going to turn into a fight? Look at how divisive and hateful and polarized the world is. What you guys are doing, is countering that. It’s putting water on that fire, and that’s what we need. You’re bringing that into these platforms, schools, and workshops, not just for the students, which is crucial and needed for these younger generations. They’re going to be the ones who have to save this planet. But, it’s for everybody, because it starts with us. If we can’t have this, then what makes us think that they’re going to have it or that they can have it? We’re testaments. We are leading by example, and showing that authentically.

Steve Fouts 39:14

Love it. I love the way you put it.

Dan Fouts 39:17

Well, this was a really nice conversation, Jeremy. We touched on some great themes, and I think that this Emerson quote really does capture a lot about the importance of conversations, the past, the future, being mindful, and living in the moment. It’s almost like the challenge of living is hiding inside this quote.

Jeremy Gregory 39:46

So much, right? It is a powerful quote. Just to further reinforce the power and the potentiality of what you guys have and what you’re doing, I want to more mindfully incorporate this into what I do. I teach humane education through my different platforms, and I think this was a missing crucial component. It creates an opportunity for people to take off their costumes, and just be real, be themselves, and not have this fear of being what they think everyone else needs to see. This quote branching into the story and the conversation with the end result that everyone feels like you’re not up here, and I’m not up here, but we’re all right here. We’re all in this together. We’re all on this boat. That’s how we’re going to survive, by rowing at the same speed, the same way, and communication.

Steve Fouts 41:09

I love that.

Dan Fouts 41:12

Well, we like to end with a question that any of us have as a result of this. So, does anyone want to take a stab at a question?

Jeremy Gregory 41:25

Wow. Steve, I’m going to throw to you.

Steve Fouts 41:30

You’re going to defer to me, or are you going to talk before me? I don’t have it yet, but there’s a simple question.

Jeremy Gregory 41:44

I think my overarching question with this subject is how these kids will respond to this quote. I would like to come back on a future podcast to compare how we approached it from the minds of where these kids are at today with how they approached it. I have the tendency to think I’m really connected and bridged to younger generations, but there is still that space, that generational gap. I would love to see how they respond to this Emerson quote.

Steve Fouts 42:31 – Essential Question

That’s really good, because you made me think of maybe what he was thinking. I’m back to depression and anxiety, negative words that I thought encapsulated the quote really well. Someone who is depressed obsesses on the past too much in the wrong way. Someone with anxiety obsesses about the future in the wrong way. How do we become mindful consistently?

Dan Fouts 43:06

Identical to what I was thinking.

Steve Fouts 43:08

How do we stay calm and positive?

Jeremy Gregory 43:13

I want to throw this to you guys. I touched on it in passing and in our first conversation. Something that I have been doing for the last handful of years that I think has really helped to ground me, is meditation. I’m still on this quest. I’m still on this journey, and striving to even get more into what you just said, more to that frame of mind and thought of how do we become more grounded, centered, and mindful? How can we set aside external things? It’s through meditation. When I get the opportunity to start my classes off with a little bit of meditation and breathwork… These older cultures have used this and taught their kids the power of meditation from a very early age. Meditation and breathwork have the power to help us become one with ourselves and able to set those external factors aside. I don’t want to sound woo woo and way up here, but we’re at a place right now where we have students coming from really tough places, and if they’re distracted, whether it’s from horrible things that have happened at home, other things that are happening with peers, like bullying, how can they show up and learn? How can they even get into a place of being able to think critically? If they can get in their own place, in their own zone, through 10 minutes of meditation and breathwork, then they’re engaged. They’re ready to go. You have their attention.

Steve Fouts 43:17

It gets them centered. Of course, the challenge is if you have trauma, depression, and other issues, and you’re not used to meditating, that stillness and silence can be like a call to all the demons. They come in and make some noise, and to stop that from happening, you end up distracting yourself. That’s why it’s so challenging.

Dan Fouts 45:16 – Essential Question

I have another question. These will organically come up in the classroom when you have these conversations. How do we recognize our power to live in the moment?

Jeremy Gregory 46:23

That is profound!

Dan Fouts 46:26

How do we recognize it?

Jeremy Gregory 46:27

Yeah, how do we recognize it? That is the starting point, right? Recognition. Say that again, Dan.

Dan Fouts 46:40

How do we recognize our power to live in the moment?

Jeremy Gregory 46:43

Wow! It starts there. Think about the challenges that we have on our shoulders to get to a place where these kids are going to be productive members of society and community. That is a very powerful question. Good stuff.

Steve Fouts 47:10

You just came up with that?

Dan Fouts 47:11

Yeah. All right, well, I guess it’s the collective thinking and intelligence of everybody. We’re just trying to synthesize, and this is what the kids do in the conversation when you build that community, their synthesizing ideas and their questions reflect that.

Jeremy Gregory 47:32

It really does. This container that we had in the last 30-40 minutes is testament that this is what works. I was able to use my critical thinking to go above and beyond, because you gave me the foundational question. It’s that organic unfoldment of what’s going to materialize in terms of these questions that go beyond the face value of the question of the quote.

Dan Fouts 48:09

Yeah. Well, this was wonderful. Jeremy, we really appreciate you coming on and being our guest. I think we chose the right quote for the right person.

Jeremy Gregory 48:21

Well, thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity.

Dan Fouts 48:24

I want to use this one as well, and my mind is already churning about where to place this in my curriculum. This might actually be a really good one to use at the beginning of a school year.

Jeremy Gregory 48:38

I agree.

Dan Fouts 48:40

Set the tone with it.

Jeremy Gregory 48:42

Absolutely. I think it really does need to get into those realms nowadays. I’ll be doing the same thing. I believe in that energy of synchronicity and I would love to use this practically and see where it goes. In our future conversations, I would like to come back to you guys and say, wow, this is where it went. Show you the results one way or the other.

Steve Fouts 49:14

I’d love to hear it.

Dan Fouts 49:15

Great. Again, thank you so much. This was wonderful. We appreciate your wisdom. This is going to go on our website and also in our private community where other people can benefit from our conversation and hopefully feel inspired to bring it to their audience. It has to start somewhere. Why not start with us?

Jeremy Gregory 49:43

Absolutely. Your ability and your infectious energy is so needed right now. I can’t wait to get this podcast and share it with my world and get Teach Different into my community of teachers and educators and solutionaries so they can start bringing this into their worlds and continue to have this ripple effect, or tidal wave. That would be so awesome.

Dan Fouts 50:16

Okay.

Jeremy Gregory 50:17

All right brothers.

Dan Fouts 50:17

Take care Jeremy. This was wonderful. Thank you.

Jeremy Gregory 50:21

Yeah, you guys take care, be safe. Have a great rest of your Sunday and I’ll reconnect with you guys soon.

Dan Fouts 50:28

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