“The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong.” Mahatma Gandhi – Forgiveness

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Steve Fouts: 0:05 

Hey everybody, Steve and Dan Fouts here. We are teaching different with anti-colonial nationalist Mahatma Gandhi with a quote about forgiveness. Here’s the quote, “The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong.”  This notion of forgiveness is going to be familiar with students, and really all people, because it deals with hurt.  Whether you’re the person who’s hurting others, or other people are hurting you, the question is what is the next step? 

Dan Fouts: 0:43 

This gets into the ethical responsibilities of students. When students are hurt, or when they hurt others, they are choices to be made. They have to analyze the situation to determine the best way to treat people who have done them wrong. This quote strikes at the heart of moral decision making that students, and everyone else, have to make in their life. What claim is Gandhi making in this quote? Gandhi is coming down on the side of forgiveness being a sign of strength of character, because the weak can never forgive.  That implies that only the strong can forgive. It’s an interesting way to say it. There’s something about being able to let someone off the hook, so to speak. To look at a situation, analyze it, and determine that it’s important to move on. That indicates a person has a strong personality. They’re not over taken by feelings of revenge. They have impulse control. 

Steve Fouts: 1:57 

They’re able to control their emotions, at the very least, and look toward  the good.

Dan Fouts: 2:03 

Right, and that is a sign of strength. To be calm is strength. In the classroom, ask the kids to talk about a time when they forgave someone for doing something. What did they do to you and why did you forgive them? 

Steve Fouts: 2:23 

Did you regret that decision later, or were you thankful that you forgave them  because they ended up being your best friend. 

Dan Fouts: 2:31 

I’d also like to know when they forgave someone did they feel strength or weakness?  Gandhi said that forgiveness is strength, so did you actually feel that way after it, or did you feel taken advantage of?  There’ll be some very interesting stories from the kids.

Steve Fouts: 2:55 

Definitely, and everyone’s going to be able to weigh in on that. Everyone has an experience of forgiveness. 

Let’s move to the counterclaim to this quote to keep this conversation interesting.  I would say the counterclaim to this quote is that forgiveness is  something weak people do.  They don’t forgive because it’s a moral choice, or because they have impulse control, and they’re able to control their emotions. It’s really a sign that they’re weak, because they can’t get revenge.  They have to  forgive someone in order to get along, because they just don’t have the  wherewithal to stand up to make sure that it doesn’t happen again.

Dan Fouts: 3:52

Strong people hold others accountable.  To not forgive someone is a sign of strength. It’s a sign of saying, I’m not going to take this. I’m going to hold you accountable for your ethical choices. It might make people feel uncomfortable, but it demands that they behave in certain ways. You can get a lot out of people when you convey to them that they’re not going to be let off the hook all the time.  To keep this conversation going in class, you can ask the student to talk about a time when they forgave someone for something that they did.  Did that make them feel strong? Was it the right thing? 

Steve Fouts: 4:43 

Do you regret that decision or are you happy?  That person wants to be your friend now, and they’re treating you better by using a different tact. 

Dan Fouts: 4:55 

I see this conversation bringing out stories where forgiveness worked, and didn’t work. 

Steve Fouts: 5:05 – Essential Question

That will be very interesting. To close the conversation up, here’s an essential question you can ask students, how do we know when forgiving somebody is the right thing to do? 

Dan Fouts: 5:23 

For a curriculum connection, I think it would be great to go into the period of reconstruction right after the Civil War, where the North was put in this massive position of power over the South, and had to determine what the appropriate punishment for the South would be. The ethical choices that the North was faced with revolved around forgiveness. Should they forgive the South, or should they hold them accountable?  The Radical Republicans wanted to hold them accountable, but Lincoln and his allies wanted to take a more forgiving approach to the situation. 

Steve Fouts: 6:10 

I think reconstruction is a great example. That’s teaching different with Mahatma Gandhi. We hope you enjoyed the conversation and make sure you visit our Conversation Library where we have many conversations like this, each with a different quote, a sample claim, counterclaim, and an essential question to get you started.

Dan Fouts: 6:30 

We’d love to hear your stories on how you use these conversations in your classroom. Take care, everybody.

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