“You don’t win a war by talking to the enemy.” – Teach Different with Margaret Thatcher

Transcript

Steve (00:00) 

Welcome to the Teach Different podcast. What is it? It is Wednesday, April 8th. We’re coming off of Easter and a pretty crazy weekend geopolitically with a lot of things going on in the Middle East. We’ve got this Iran war and we’ve got a lot of challenges you might wanna say, in our society, just to remain sane. We, we’ve got a president who’s very vociferous, right? He expresses his opinions in a very strong way, and it’s got a lot of people on edge. And obviously anytime you’re in a war, the stuff is serious. And we’re, we’re kind of, you know, muddling through this. And what I wanted to do today with my guests, Jarvis Tr33 and Bully, my familiar guests, is we’re gonna talk a little bit about, you know, the conflict and what’s happening. But we’re gonna do it and we’re gonna model this conversation using a technique that hopefully can keep us kind of centered and keep us talking about a very controversial issue in a way where people can listen. Not feel like, you know, one of us is taking sides and we’re biased about something, but that we’re, we’re really critically thinking about this. And by doing this, we’re modeling the way that you need to talk to people. These days, I think that people are putting their heads in the sand and they’re not wanting to reach out and talk to people you disagree with ’cause everything starts escalating almost the minute it starts. We’re gonna show you, we can talk about an issue like this in a very, um, intelligent way, and then leave understanding something more wiser, at the very least. So that’s how we roll. We’re gonna use this Teach Different Method. We’re gonna do it by talking about a quote first, but let me, before I start, let me get Bully’s gonna join us in about five minutes or so, but let me just get Jarvis and Tr33 just to introduce yourself very briefly for people who are listening for the first time. I don’t always ask you both to introduce yourself, but I figured, you know, let’s, let’s do that again in case we have new listeners. Jarvis, you first just, you know, where are you from? The Chicago thing.

 

Jarvis (02:39) 

I’m Jarvis Funches. Uh, I’m from Chicago. I am a community activist. Uh, I work for CTA, uh, I also do outreach programs to reach out to the young people in my community, the youth, and yeah, that’s pretty much it.

 

Steve (02:55) 

And for those of you who don’t know, CTA is Chicago Transit Authority.

 

Jarvis (03:00) 

Authority. Hold on, I’m sorry. Yeah.

 

Tr33 (03:04) 

My name is. Hey, how’s it going everybody on the podcast listening out there? My name is Tr33. I’m a social media influencer, community activist, um, gun violence advocate, uh, mentor, actor, musician, I do a lot of stuff here in the city. 

 

Steve (03:26) 

Very nice. Just had a trip to Atlanta doing some artistic work and we’re gonna be working together on projects the minute that we can get these things set up. And we’re gonna be platforming voices from gentlemen like these. And I see Bully just came on as well. Bully, I’m gonna have you introduce yourself. You know what, go ahead and do that now. Very briefly, everybody reintroduced themselves and I’m asking everybody to do that. 

 

Bully (03:56) 

My name Bully. I’m a, um, I’m a, I’m a, I’m a street, I’m a street legend, Chicago legend.

You know what I’m saying? I do work in the community. I do work in violence prevention, mentorships. I do, I’m a case manager with kids. I get ’em workforce development. You know what? I’m in the community all day, every day working with high risk youth. Either high risk of shooting, somebody else getting shot. I deal with the worst or the worst ’cause I was them.

So I’m trying to lead by example of mentorship. I’m also an actor as well. I have movies covered out on Prime and Tuby. You can check ’em out. And this is the Teach Different podcasts. Welcome everybody. And I’m from Chicago, Illinois. Going world wide, you know. 

 

Jarvis (04:33) 

Going worldwide. 

 

Steve (04:35) 

Nice. And hey, Bully, see if you can remember to send me those links again before we leave.

I’m sorry I didn’t copy and paste them last time, of your work. The movies and stuff. Make sure you do that. Alright, let’s go. Let’s, uh, we’re we’re gonna, uh, we’re gonna have a conversation here and we’re, we’re gonna start with this quote from Margaret Thatcher. All right. Now, I don’t know, um, who knows Margaret Thatcher in this group, but she was a prime Minister of Britain in the eighties. Okay, so this is before you all were born. I was alive. And, uh, this is a lady who got a reputation for being a pretty tough talker. Uh, she was around when Ronald Reagan was president and they really got along well, and she just got, she had a reputation for being very straightforward and tough with her language and with her negotiating tactics. She has a quote here that we’re gonna use to kick off our discussion that’s gonna meander into the Iran conflict. And so here we go. The quote is, you don’t win a war by talking to the enemy. You don’t win a war by talking to the enemy. Who’s got a thought on this quote? Is it resonating with anybody here? Is it making sense? 

 

Bully (06:11) 

Yeah, I could, I could dig that. ‘Cause it’s like to, when you, when you talk to the enemy, that means y’all working, y’all mediating and coming to a conflict resolution. So you not really winning the war. You ending the war. So when you don’t talk to the enemy, you just, you coming up with a peace agreement. The conflict resolution, but it’s just ending award winning the war destroying your opponent to submission until it ain’t no more. That’s what I took from it. 

 

Steve (06:49) 

You, you took the word win and you’re, you’re like, I know what win means. It’s dominating, right? It’s, you know what, go with that one. What are your thoughts? Tr33? 

 

Tr33 (06:59) 

Um, you can’t win a war by talking to the enemy. Uh, I feel like once it’s a war, once we’re at war, the time for talking is already passed. We’re in war now. So in war there is no time to talk. There’s only action. There’s only survival. There’s only the end goal, which is to eventually end this so we can get to peace. So this violence that has to happen now, we’re there now and now. The time for me to try to talk to you outta me. Stabbing you is gone. I tried to talk to you, I didn’t have to stab you, but you are the enemy. And your mindset isn’t, your mindset isn’t on talking. Your mindset is on finishing me. So we are in the middle of war. I don’t have time to try to talk to you and plead with you. Hey brother, don’t you want to? Can’t you just understand we’re the same? No, you already got your score at my neck. So the time for talking is over. I can’t talk to you to win this at this point I have to. Yeah. I have to eliminate you at this point.

 

Jarvis (08:09) 

Mm-hmm. I feel like it, I feel like Bully and Tr33. It is a 50/50 because like, you know, my personal, my personal thoughts about this quote was that, that it is true you can’t win a war by talking to your enemy. But as I started thinking about it deeply and more. It’s like it’s 50/50. Why do I say that? It’s 50 50? It’s because you talking to your enemy to expose too many weaknesses and give your opponent the opportunity to strike you at a place that you did not want to be striked at. You know what I’m saying? But vice versa, like Bully said. If we could have a conflict like JF Kennedy did with the Cuban Missile, I think it was like in 1996, they was finna bomb Cuba.

 

Steve (08:55) 

I know. Yeah. You’re, you’re, right.

 

Jarvis (08:56) 

Yeah. They finna bomb Cuba for something. I don’t know. Don’t quote me on it, but they was gonna bomb Cuba for something. But JF Kennedy resolved that and just talking, coming to a resolution, coming to an understanding of that, you know what, whatever we got going on, we can put this to be, but this got to be. What we gonna do? No backends, no back doing, no trying to back stab me. This gotta be what we doing and I feel like that’s what’s gonna happen now. Even with the Iran War a a against the United States, I just really feel like they gonna come to an agreement to where, you know, they could be able to resolve it without being bombed and destroyed. Like, you know what I’m saying? But talking to the enemy does open up a lot of gates. I just be thinking like it’s a lot of Iran or a lot of, uh, people that own cornerstones and stuff like that in the minority communities and stuff like that. So I really do think that it is gonna be resolved in a talk because like, what about the people that’s already here? You know what I’m saying? That’s already Americans, but you blowing up where they family is like how do you think they’re gonna respond? And they already here, like, you know what I’m saying? So I really do think it’s gonna end. 

 

Steve (10:08) 

You’re a little bit more hopeful with the Iran conflict that it’s gonna end hopefully by talking.

 

Jarvis (10:16) 

Yeah, because I say that because like, okay, even if we do go and bomb these people, like our president, he’s very straightforward, which I love that about him. But you have to be smart, not naive to what you doing. Now you threatened to blow up people that’s over cross sea, but you done have let you let in, presidents before you let numerous of these people in. You know what I’m saying? They good people though, like it is nothing against ’em, but he let numerous of these people come over for decades, years, years and stuff, and now you just got in the office and now you just cracking down on all of the drug gangs, all over the world. So you don’t think all these Iranian people got bombs over here already. You don’t think they got AKs over here already?

 

Steve (11:00) 

Okay you, you don’t think, you’re bringing in, you’re bringing in immigration and this idea that if you’re gonna, if you’re going to bomb another country and you’re gonna be at war with another country, you gotta remember the ones that you let into your country here. And you could be putting everyone at risk. I like that.

 

Jarvis (11:18) 

Eeveryone at risk. 

 

Steve (11:19) 

Because now lemme let start, let me do a question. I didn’t think that this is a good example of where you’re in a conversation and I didn’t think I was gonna ask this question before you all started talking. And my question now is, what is a war? Because you, you know, you know how we’ve heard of the Cold War, there’s a Cold War, there’s a hot war, like a Cold War. Is a war that was going on what, for 50, 60, 70 years after World War II, where it was just, you know, it was the, um, Soviet Union and America were the two major superpowers, right? They didn’t like each other and they fought each other kind of indirectly. But they never wanted to take on each other and have a real hot war. Why? Because they got nuclear weapons and that’s mutually assured destruction. So they would end up like siding with different countries and those countries would fight, and it was a cold war between the two giants. But I heard that, I heard Bully and Tr33 mention that once the war has started the talking is done. And so I’d like either Bully or Tr33 to step in and clarify what war means to you. And I mean, I got a sense of what you were talking about with it, but what is it? What kind of war is it always good to stop talking, talking on? ’cause we were talking to the Soviet Union for six years. Yeah. And we hated them. 

 

Bully (13:08) 

Right. It is like, uh, war is when somebody came to come to agree on something, they have a disagreement or something, they can’t come to a verbal agreement so they had to physically get they point across or physically force their will or to get the other side to submit to their ways and come to the, come to that conclusion. So war to me is like. When people war up to me is sacrifice. When it’s time to war, it means like we did all the talking, the talking out the window. Now we gotta sacrifice our people to prove, to get our point across. And war is nothing to me but destruction, horror, trauma amongst other things. ‘Cause it’ll be so many casualties, not even in war, that it be more people who died that don’t have nothing to do with it than the people that deal with it. ‘Cause president, the president and, and the Prime Minister is not out there in the field. It’s the soldiers out there in the field. It’s the, it is them families out there in the rain. What about them little kids out there running around in Iran when Trump bombed. You know what I’m saying? It that’s casual. The war I, I feel war is never good. Don’t nothing good. Come outta war. Don’t nothing good. Come outta war. 

 

Steve (14:19)

Yeah. Yeah. Tr33 what do you think

 

Tr33 (14:21)

To me, war’s the result of human greed, uh, the result of human greed. The need for power conquering and egos. War’s the result of human beings needing because I like fighting, like two people fighting, that’s, uh, that’s not war to me, that’s, that’s the fighting. But when I think of war, I think of like nations of people and some form of conquering or taking over of territory or resources or some type of valuable thing that one nation of people needs and the other nation is trying to somehow apprehend or take or some form of land that isn’t being shared the right way. Whereas to the point where now it may be greed involved because y’all can’t come to a reasonable conclusion, uh, civilly like civilized human beings. That doesn’t involve death to the point where it is so serious that you feel like we need this so bad, we will kill y’all. We need this land so bad, we will kill y’all for it. Children and all. And then, yeah, it’s a lot of other land on the world, but we want this land too. We want these resources too. So, um, like, like Billy was saying, it is nothing but horrific. Um. Violence. I don’t feel like we even need wars as human beings. We’re not animals. Of course, we are animals, but we’re supposed to be consciously higher, supposed to be the highest form of intelligence on this planet. Yet we can’t resolve misunderstandings, disagreements, we can’t share, we can’t share the resources. Like, what’s going on, bro? 

 

Steve (16:14) 

You, you sound like Plato, a Greek philosopher, who said the exact same thing that you said, which is war starts and the need for an army starts because we get greedy and we want what others have. And let me go with that thought for a moment and maybe Jarvis, you can, you can, uh, weigh in on this one first. Take the Iran conflict real quick and think of the two different perspectives. The war was started by the US and Israel. They started dropping the bombs, right? They started basically saying, it’s been 47 years. You’re a terrorist state, Iran, so it’s time to take you out. Okay? But of course. You know, it was, they, they actually did this back in June as well, but the idea I’m trying to get across is that’s their perspective. The bombs started dropping, pushing the buttons. Then you got a run. Who’s getting bombed? Okay. They’re aw, they’re in a war. Right. But I, I don’t think it’s fair to say that they’re in a war because of, they’re greedy. Maybe you could argue, maybe you could argue that I don’t wanna, I, you know what, I’ll let you all argue that if you want, but I’m trying to get a sense of the different perspectives.

What are your thoughts, Jarvis? 

 

Jarvis (17:49) 

I mean, like, so to any human being with humanity, it’ll be that, to be honest. That would be war to me. Something that’s being suppressed, something that’s being over conquered. Like, like I ran, like you said, they dropped bums on them. Like at that point we gotta fight back. You suppressing us. Like you, you trying to destroy us. Like we didn’t come bumming y’all first, y’all came bumming us. Like, like that’s not war. That’s us defending ourselves and if us defending ourselves is war, then let that be that. I’m not just Finn, it’s just like anything, like vice versa, us having our homes, you’re not just gonna let a burglar just come in your house and take what they want. No, you’re not like you’re gonna have to take it by force. And that’s how people feel. That’s how I ran feel. And that’s why I said I really hope that it be resolved and talking because if it is like that than the people that’s here, they could start bumming us from the inside. They could start shooting up the streets, just walking out. They could do whatever they wanna do. They already here. So I don’t know, man, but in Iran, in Iran’s point of view, they just defending theyself. And if anybody will man it to you, understand that it’s just like you punching another human being in the face. Y they’re going to respond. They might, they, they might not respond the way you want them to either, but it is just pretty much it is, man, that’s not right.

 

Steve (19:11) 

I get you it, it’s defense, right? It and there’s a different reason. Um, I, I always wonder about that, like the different reasons people go to war. Uh, there are multiple reasons. And Tr33, you brought up some, we just brought up the defensive posture, right? Some people are in war and they didn’t choose it. Let, let, can we talk about that? Like, does that give you an advantage? Here’s a question. 

 

Jarvis (19:39) 

No, it was, that was bogus and to be honest, so that was so, so that what really happened, so basically United States just started bombing. I ran ’cause they felt the need to. Then basically the people responded back and now they terrorists and now we at war. You oppressing these people. That’s just like slavery. You, you physically abusing these people and expected them not to retaliate. You needed them. You knew that in the first place, but you still chose to bomb these people like you did not need them. You knew you needed them for, oil you just was on, you just doing stuff gang. And that’s not right gang. You just doing stuff for, and now you wanna say you at war with these people when they just defending theyself and they homeland, they children. The people that they love. Like that’s, nah, 

 

Steve (20:19) 

no, no. That’s, and that’s a perspective on this, Jarvis, of course there are people who are gonna talk about the way that Iran has acted over the last 47 years. ’cause Iran supports groups that actually do terrorize other people and bomb other people. So they, um, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna take a side on this. I just wanna say that in this. Or this specific instance, it was started by the US and Israel, right? But they’re gonna claim that Iran has already chosen this one because they’ve done some things in the past. So, Tr33, what are you thinking? Here’s my question. Um, defensive posture in war does the group that gets attacked that didn’t ask for the war. Do they have an advantage in a war over the aggressor? 

 

Tr33 (21:20) 

To a degree, I would say to a degree, the advantage is in, um, I would say emotional intelligence and emotional interesting strategy. So if you more aggressive than me and you are more riled up, you’re probably acting more irrational, more, you know, uh, out of. Survival. You’re more, chaotic. I have more time to think and plan and, and and really see what’s really going on. Um, also, um, allies would be probably, I would probably have better chance. There are allies in the war. From other people and other greater nations. If they see that I didn’t really. Have a hand in this. Yeah. It’s like, if I didn’t have a hand in this… 

 

Steve (22:12) 

That great Tr33 that, I love that good. I like that perspective of if you’re the victim, you might have someone to come and, and got, they might have you, they, they’ll cover for you. ’cause they know you’re being beat up on. No one’s gonna cover for a bully. No offense, bully. But what do you, what do you, what do you think with this whole victim aggressor and it…

 

Bully (22:37) 

You just said it right there. Nobody’s going to cover for aggressor. I don’t think too many people gonna be too quick to help Iran. They really not. No victim. Because they ain’t too, they deal with so many people, like you said, so many terrorist groups. They supply so many off the radar with, with, with, with weapons and they so involved and corrupt. Nobody really, like I ran against. Anyway, so they ain’t got no help coming anyway. And when you a country like Iran, you should be prepared to be bummed anytime, to be honest with you.

 

Steve (23:07) 

Interesting. Yeah. But Iran, Iran, uh, just to sum it up, like Israel, they, Iran is supported the terrorist groups that they don’t, they, they’re pro-Palestinian. You guys know a little bit about the Palestinian cause? The Israelis, how they’ve been fighting over that land ever since. Like, um…

 

Tr33 (23:29) 

Yeah. Then they, then they just moved the, the Jews just into Palestine. Into Palestine. Or they moved the Palestinians into Jerusalem.

 

Steve (23:38) 

They, they, there was, uh, there’s been a lot of displacement lately and there’s been a lot of bombing there. That’s like another story. This is a mess in the Middle East. Like this is crazy, but, but. No, no. 

 

Tr33 (23:55) 

All over land and greed. People feeling like this is our land. This is our land. 

 

Steve (24:01) 

Let’s do this. Let’s flip the script on this quote real quick, and let’s get back to the idea of war for a moment, and then this idea of talking, I’m gonna read the quote again. Let’s do a counterclaim to the quote. Let’s disagree with it and come with a different side. Because, you know, war is here and there’s different ways to deal with it, and we need another perspective to come in here. I think we did a big justice to once the fight starts talking is over. Okay? That’s the claim. You don’t win a war by talking to the enemy. Somebody push against this thing.

 

Bully (24:43) 

Actually, you can win a war talking to the enemy. If the enemy don’t know you’re trying to be at war with them. Or you could, you could throw the enemy off by talking to ’em. And you know, people do that all the time. You don’t, it’s like you on front your move, like in the streets, you don’t front your move. Like, like, like say for instance, if you know these people stronger than you, but you got problem with these people. So. You might wanna strike these people. You don’t wanna know, ’cause you might not wanna front your mood. So you talking to ’em, thinking everything cool, but then the whole time you the one putting belt, laying belt to ’em, you know what I’m saying? The whole time they don’t even know and you scratched up and you could be distracting them and throwing them off by talking to ’em. And that can be your strategy to win the war. 

 

Tr33 (25:23) 

I love it. Also to add to that, um, what, where, where do we even get the term negotiation from? So if you ain’t supposed to be able to talk to your talk through enemy, talk to enemy to win the award, then why is there, why is there even a possibility of negotiation?

 

Bully (25:44) 

I would say negotiation is to try to end the war, not win the war. 

 

Tr33 (25:48) 

You could still win the war though, through negotiation. 

 

Steve (25:53) 

Yeah well, there’s an essential question. Can you win a war through negotiation? 

 

Tr33 (25:57) 

Yeah. I feel like. 

 

Bully (25:59) 

I get what you’re saying, Tr33. Yes sir. Yes, sir. 

 

Tr33 (26:02) 

Yeah. I feel like once you, I feel like the winning, winning of the war is just the conquering of the other. Now, if or, or the agrees upon one thing. So if I’m trying to come into y’all land and get the oil, and I can, and in my mind I could either take it by force and we tried the force. We’d been fighting. We’ve been fighting, we’ve been fighting. We done bombed y’all. Y’all bombed us. Then if I can, if I could talk to y’all leader and be like, look man, we’ve been bombing each other.

We’ve lost thousands of people. Y’all lost thousands of people. Can we just negotiate? What if we do, okay? What if we buy some of it? Like, will we get some and then the other half we buy or, and if they agree, you’ve won. It might not have been on. It might not have been on how you think it might’ve been, but you just won. They agreed because the point was getting the oil. 

 

Steve (26:51) 

Right. 

 

Tr33 (26:52) 

You didn’t get it by force. You didn’t, you wasn’t able to get the whole, the whole shebang, but you, you acquired the oil and you was able to, um, stop any more bloodshed. 

 

Jarvis (27:03) 

I feel like negotiate, negotiating was, that was a big part of humanity before money was even around. Like if you pay attention back then you may have an apple Tr33 or a a peach Tr33. I may have cows, you know what I’m saying? I need pizzas and fruits, but you need beef. You know what I’m saying? We don’t have money to physically exchange, so hey, you know, I’ll give you five pounds of beef and you give me, you know what I’m saying? Probably two crates of peaches or something, you know what I’m saying? That’s negotiating. We trading vice versa and me coming in your yard stealing or taken by force. You see what I’m saying? When we just can negotiate, I know it’s something that you need, that I got. It’s something that you got that I need, that I don’t got. So why not just come into a negotiation, Hey look, you need this and I need this. I’ll give you this and you gimme that. But this has to be the terms. No war. We keep trading on a genuine basis. We keep this role open. No, no murder, no blood, shit. This is what we gonna do. These are our tour terms. Two great leaders. That’s all you gotta do. But like you say, like you dealing with two, well, one leader that’s greedy and that’s Donald Trump. Like he ain’t with all that. He ain’t really trying to talk to you. He ain’t trying to talk. 

 

Steve (28:22) 

Yeah. Like, and, and that’s a way to avoid war. 

 

Jarvis (28:28) 

Like I see, especially, especially with a person like Donald Trump though, like negotiating, like I really feel like I, I ran even though. Well, to be honest, that’s kinda like they karma though, ’cause y’all done to impress other people and now somebody stronger coming along to oppress y’all. So it is kind of karma. So I really feel like y’all should just go ahead, come to the negotiation and open back up the strip so we can get the oil. Because like at this point y’all really doing this to y’all self to be honest. 

 

Steve (28:55)

Yeah. And that they have a ceasefire that just got signed and that supposedly they’re gonna open it up. Uh. Yeah, the, uh, man, at this time of the day, the sun goes right through my window. 

 

Bully (29:14)

I see you getting your Patrick Swayze on Steve. Yes, sir. 

 

Steve (29:20) 

Um, but, uh, yeah. Okay, so we’re, uh, so, but there is a way, um, you know, I got this, I, I know what I was gonna say. Uh, Tr33, what you were saying about how you can win if you negotiate and like you get what you want. A lot of it depends on what your objective is. Now. Now, follow this. When you have a war, the big, the big thing everybody always talks about is what are the military objectives, right? If it’s to humiliate somebody and to wipe them off the face of the earth. Then there’s certain things you gotta do that probably aren’t gonna involve talking. If your objective is to peace and prosperity and low gas prices, you know, then you’ve gotta not give up on the talking and probably use that in your strategy. I’m just thinking out loud here. It depends on the objective. Do people go to war with specific objectives? Sometimes it’s just survival, right? Other times it’s, oh man, I gotta fight this guy because if I don’t fight him, everybody I know is looking at me, they’re gonna think I’m a punk. I’ve gotta reassert my dominance.

I don’t wanna hurt the guy necessarily, but he needs to be taught something in front of other people. There’s my objective. Um, here’s a guy, rob my house. My objective is to end his life. Because if I don’t do it, he could end my life. So I’m, I don’t know if I’m making sense here, but that 

 

Jarvis (30:59) 

No, you making perfect sense. Is, is see now what, like the point of spective, like you was saying earlier, it’s the point of perspective. So now it’s basically off of what Donald Trump’s true objective is. So is your real objective is, is just to get oil. Is your objective is to really be dominant, but you just using the oil as an scapegoat, but you’ve been really wanting to do it.

You know what I’m saying? You been wanting to really get in war, but you needed something to just tick you off or something to certify your war, which is oil. You know what I’m saying? But so say if Iran do open back up the street and do give us back the oil and you still go to war with them, then we truly know your objective wasn’t to get oil. Your objective was something bigger than what you made it seem. You see what I’m saying? 

 

Steve (31:47) 

You know what object, you know what he said it was at first. They have weapons of mass destruction. They’re building a nuclear bomb and they have to be stopped. That was his. What you were saying, Jarvis, like his criteria, the thing that made him justify the original bombing was if we don’t bomb these guys, they’re gonna develop a nuclear weapon and they’re gonna shoot us. 

 

Bully (32:15) 

Yeah. And then it go back to what you said, like he might not be a puppet, but he in bed with the, probably the major weapons dealers, the major government. So he keeping them busy, making them money. It’s all, it’s all money. Be the bottom line. All this, at the end of the day, keeping the rich richer and making it easier for them. And Trump feel like the United States is the strongest country and he really just be trying to flex his muscle, in my opinion. To try to bully things to that way, to bully things, to his way to help his people out. ’cause he definitely in bed with the gun makers and all the weapon makers and all the oil people for sure.

 

Tr33 (32:45) 

Yeah. They ain’t gonna lie. Uh, I don’t even be believing these wars sometimes. I ain’t gonna even lie, bro, because it’s like, that could be, that could be the smokey mirrors for something else that’s going on. It was like, yeah, let’s have everybody’s attention on the fact that we may be at war while we really, secretly not even at war. We doing some whole other back door stuff and we getting down on all our citizens with this, this real thing we doing. But while they worrying about that, we over here doing this ’cause it’s like all these wars started jumping off soon as that Epstein stuff started coming out. 

 

Steve (33:21) 

That’s number one right there. And also here’s, I don’t wanna make a prediction, but I’m going to. The minute you’re in war, you can justify anything. When you’re the president, you can, you can justify, Hey, we can’t have elections. It’s not safe. So this is what concerns me about this guy Trump. Okay? Because he might have some things he wants to get done and he’s doing ’em maybe for the right reasons. Iran isn’t some saint okay. But a guy like Trump, I think that he would leverage this, you know, to, you know, make it difficult for us, you know, keep him, him in power and stuff. So I, you know, I don’t want to get, I don’t wanna be overly pessimistic with this, but it’s scary the minute you’re claiming war and you’re the president, you get multiplied powers, uh, and you can do anything you want with that. And we’re the victims of that. Okay. That brings it home right there. 

 

Tr33 (34:30) 

Yep. 

 

Steve (34:30) 

Uh, alright. I don’t wanna end on a note like that though. What do we got? I mean, we, we did both sides, right? There’s times to talk. Mm-hmm. But there’s also times to like, let that stuff go and you’ve gotta like, uh, something has to be resolved and it’s, it’s in a physical realm now.

This isn’t mental. This isn’t intellectual. It’s not. What do you think? What do I think? We gotta end this. That doesn’t mean we have to humiliate and kill somebody. Sometimes it’s just a beat down and then you help ’em back up. Like after. 

 

Jarvis (35:06) 

Well, how about they go box, then how about, how about, how about, they, Donald Trump and, and the Iran president? Box it out then. And then we all good man. 

 

Steve (35:16) 

I’d, I’d watch it. 

 

Jarvis (35:18)

Word. I watch two bro stop. A a because I tell ’em, man, they stop dragging everybody else. And y’all and, and y’all two beef man. Them people ain’t got nothing to do with y’all two, man. 

 

Steve (35:27) 

Yeah. 

 

Jarvis (35:28) 

Y’all tripping. They gonna go box it out to you. 

 

Steve (35:31) 

There you go. That’s what Elon Musk wanted to do with Zuckerberg. They were gonna do a cage match. I would’ve watched that stuff. That’s just, uh, okay. All right. All right. Thanks fellas. Uh, this, this is, uh, this is Teach Different. You don’t realize this for all our new listeners, we followed a structure to that conversation, which I hope kept it like within the rails a little bit and kept it so that we weren’t sitting here agreeing with each other constantly. We were looking at different sides. We had a claim and a counterclaim, and then we had some questions throughout. So if anybody listening is a parent teacher, or you work at a school, you know, reach out to us. Teach Different. We train teachers in this method so that you know, you’re gonna have your kids have conversations like this about important topics and they’re just gonna become wise. They’re gonna become leaders in our society. This is what we need, people who can discuss things like this and, and get somewhere with it. So thank you again for coming. Uh, I’m gonna have my guys back soon. We will see you on the next Teach Different podcast. Thank you.